children, grown children, were also in the courtroom. e.j., he was there. his kaur kara, she was there as well. some interesting points though about the sentencing itself because the judge made it very clear when he addressed the court, he said, look, the law allows me to sentence you to hundreds of years if i could, but he felt as though it was too esoteric. he wanted to make sure jerry was sentenced to something that wasn't so abstract using the judge's words, something that he could understand, and given that jerry is 68 years old, that's why he, in fact, ended up sentencing him to no less than 30 years which is effectively a life sentence. >> yeah. and paul callan, i guess the appeals process will now begin. >> yes, it will, and, you know, they've raised some interesting claims on appeal. they're saying that they were rushed into this trial. the trial did go very, very quickly. i mean, the last indictment was in december of 2011.